December 10, 2017
Episode 16: The Enigma of Pythagoras
Pythagoras of Samos (6th c. BCE) is the most enigmatic figure of ancient philosophy, and that’s saying a lot, because there’s stiff competition. He is said by later tradition to be the founder of philosophy, or the inventor of the term ‘philosophy’, or both. He is said to have made amazing discoveries in geometry (and not just the Theorem!), harmonics, cosmology, and number-theory, as well as having had sublime insights into the immortality of the soul and its fate through innumerable reincarnations. But what evidence do we actually have for the historical man behind the screen of legend?
In this episode we sift through the pre-Platonic literary evidence about Pythagoras. The picture that emerges is not complete, because we really do need to consider the Platonic and post-Platonic evidence as well, but we do see a certain vague outline of what sort of man Pythagoras might have been, and perhaps what kind of movement he might be expected to have founded. There are surprises!
Works Discussed in this Episode:
If you are unclear about DK numbering, see the notes to episode 15 of the podcast. Note that the DK chapter on Pythagoras lacks the usual letters, as we don’t have any real fragments of Pythagoras. ‘D.L.’ refers to Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of the Philosophers, a third-century CE doxographic work which preserves many of the texts cited in this episode.
- Aristotle, Metaphysics 987a29: ‘Plato Pythagorises’.
- Empedocles DK 31 B129 = Porphyry, Life of Pythagoras 30: Empedocles praises someone who might be Pythagoras or might be Parmenides (or someone else).
- Heraclitus DK 22 B40 =D.L. 9.1: ‘polymathy’. DK 22 B129 = D.L. 8.6: research [historiê].
- Herodotus DK 14 1 = Histories 2.123: Egyptian cyclical metempsychosis. DK 14 1 = Histories 2.81: The Egyptians, the so-called Orphics, and Pythagoras have a ritual prohibition in common. DK 14 A2 = Histories 4.95-96: Zalmoxis.
- Ion of Chios DK 36 B4: Pythagoras publishes Orphica.
- Xenophanes DK 21 B7 = D.L. 8.36: The puppy (cf. Aristotle De anima 407b20 = DK 58 B39 and 414a22). DK 36 B4 = D.L. 1.120: Pherecydes’ fate in the afterlife.
Suggested Reading (and listening)
The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has a useful introduction to Pythagoras, as does the History of Philosophy Podcast. A large collection of academic articles on all manner of topics related to Pythagoras and Pythagoreanism can be found at Philpapers; some can be downloaded but others you’ll have to seek out. You might also want to check out:
- Burkert, W., 1972. Lore and Science in Ancient Pythagoreanism. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA.
- Burkert, W. (1982). ‘Craft Versus Sect: The Problem of Orphics and Pythagoreans’. In: Meyer, B. F. & Sanders, E. (Ed.), Jewish and Christian Self-Definition, Fortress Press.
- Curd, P. (Ed.), 2011. A Presocratic Reader: Selected Fragments and Testimonia. Hackett, Indianapolis, IN/Cambridge.
- Dillon, J. and Hershbell, J. P. (1991). ‘Introduction’. In: Iamblichus: On the Pythagorean Way of Life, Scholars’ Press.
- Guthrie, K. S. and Fideler, D. R., 1987. The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library: An Anthology of Ancient Writings which Relate to Pythagoras and Pythagorean Philosophy. Phanes, Grand Rapids, MI.
- Huffman, C. A. (Ed.), 2014. A History of Pythagoreanism. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
- Kingsley, P., 1995. Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic: Empedocles and Pythagorean Tradition. Clarendon Press, Oxford.
- Kirk, G. S., Raven, J. E., and Schofield, M., 1983. The Presocratic Philosophers. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
- Philip, J. A., 1966. Pythagoras and Early Pythagoreanism. University of Toronto Press, Toronto.
- Zeller, E., 1856. Die Philosophie der Griechen in ihrer geschischtlichen Entwicklung dargestellt. Ludwig Friedrich Füs, Tübingen.
August 27, 2020
Travis Wade ZINN
September 23, 2020
Very enjoyable episode