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Episode 33: Nowhere to Go But Up: Philosophic Ascent in Plato

In the archaic and classical thought-worlds, a good place to go hunting for wisdom was down below, in the underworld. Plato introduces a new kind of otherworld, the world of forms, which is reached by journeying upward.

In this episode we discuss a few of Plato’s greatest discussions of this philosophic ascent, contextualising them in terms of the works of Plato we have already discussed, and hinting at their vast significance for western esotericism.

Works Discussed in this Episode:

The chief Platonic accounts of philosophic ascent referred to in this episode are:

  • purely epistemological: Symp. 201d-212c, R. 488a; 537e ff.; 514a-521b
  • cosmic/epistemological: Phaedr. 246e-249d, R. X 614b-621d

In later Platonism these two kinds of account are fused into a single concept of ascent, which is both cosmic and interior, and which is often framed as the ultimate achievement, the goal toward which all philosophic effort tends:

  • E.g. Num. apud Procl. In Platonis rem publicam II, p. 128, 26-130, 14; 131, 8-14 Krol.
  • Plot. Enn. e.g. I.3[20] passim; I.6[1]7-9; VI.9[9]4; VI.7[38]33-4; V.3[49]9, 17.
  • Porph. Plot. 23; De regressu animæ, passim; cf. Sent. 29.

We also discuss:

Homer, Odyssey Book 11.

Paul 2 Cor. 12:2-4

Smith, J. Z., 1993. Map Is Not Territory. University of Chicago Press, Chicago, IL/London. We cite pp. 61-2.

Tabor, J. D., 1986. Things Unutterable: Paul’s Ascent to Paradise in its Greco-Roman, Judaic, and Early Christian Contexts. University Press of America, Lanham, MD/New York, NY/London. We cite page 58, cf. 67.

Vergil, Æneid Book 6.


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