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Ascending Further with Mateusz Stróżyński
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We talk further about Plotinus’ spiritual practice, asking some irresponsible questions and receiving some illuminating, irresponsible answers. Topics include:
- The irresponsible but perennially-interesting question of philosophical exegesis versus experience in the formation of Plotinus’ thought, and the way in which Plotinus excels at injecting life into metaphysics,
- The question of reconstructing late-ancient teaching-lineages, through which Platonist meditative techniques might have been transmitted,
- More on the ‘imaginal exercises’ found in the Enneads, and how difficult they are actually to do,
- A disquisition, sparked by Plotinus’ question as to where exactly ‘matter’ is supposed to exist in the cosmic scheme, moving through Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus the Confessor, John Scotus Eriugena, and then Newton, Descartes, Berkeley, Hume, Malebranche, Mach, all of whom find reasons to doubt the ‘thingness’ of matter, with a Dingen-an-Sich riposte by Kant, followed by a quick rebuttal by Fichte, and
- Reading the Enneads considered as a spiritual practice in its own right.
Interview Bio:
Mateusz Stróżyński (born 1979) is classicist, philosopher, psychologist and psychotherapist. He is interested in contemplation and spiritual exercises in ancient philosophy, primarily in the Platonist tradition (Plotinus and Augustine), but he has also published on Marcus Aurelius and the medieval Christian mystic Angela of Foligno. He is an associate professor in the Institute of Classical Philology at Adam Mickiewicz University (AMU) in Poznań, Poland, and the Director of the Institute since January 2021. His plans for the nearest future include an international research project on Angela of Foligno and heterodox Franciscan movements ca. 1270-1320 (awarded recently by the National Science Centre in Poland) as well as completing a book on the contemplation of the intelligible world in Plotinus.
Works Cited in this Episode:
Many of the Plotinian passages cited in this and the previous episode are to be found in handy, dandy, English-translated form here: Plotinian Spiritual Practices.
Primary:
- Augustine on reading Plotinus (if the platonicorum libros are indeed his; many scholars cite Porphyry here) and having his mind blown: Confessions, 7.9.13 – 7.10.16 and 7.17.23.
- Gregory of Nyssa, bodies are conglomerates of qualities in our souls; there are no material things: De anima et resurrectione 93, 14 – 94, 15 , ed. A. Spira, Brill 2014. English (not the best, but the only version available online).
- Plotinus, ‘Truth is what it says it is’: V.3[49]5.25-6.
Secondary:
- Jacques Maritain, Approaches to God, New York 1962, Ch. 3 “A Sixth Way”, pp. 67-76.
Recommended Reading:
- Bishop George Berkeley. A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge. Aaron Rhames, Dublin, 1710.
- Jonardon Ganeri, editor. Indian Logic: A Reader. Routledge, London/New York, NY, 2001.
Kenneth Selens
March 11, 2021
I know that this is somewhat beyond the subject matter, but I would love to know Mateusz Stróżyński’s stance on the one or two Ammonius Saccas/s // Origen/s, since teacher pupil lineages were brought up…? I don’t think this question is too irrelevant, perhaps the consideration that Origen seemed a fairly successful contemplative might weigh in on the verdict? And, if this helps to more definitively pin down a singular Origen, we can assume that Ammonius Saccas was successfully teaching contemplative practice?
Kenneth Selens
March 11, 2021
Oh, and, are there any recommended readings in English on the experiential side of Thomas Aquinas? I’ve always thought that his ‘pile of straw?’ comment was experiential in nature…?
Mateusz Stróżyński
March 11, 2021
Anything written by Jacques Maritain and his wife, a great mystic Raissa. I recommend “Existence and the Existent”, for instance, and a classical paper “Natural mystical experience and the void”.
I also recommend excellent books by James Arraj, available here:
“God, Zen, and the intuition of being” (https://innerexplorations.com/catew/3.htm),
“Mysticism, Metaphysics, and Maritain” (https://www.innerexplorations.com/catchmeta/1.htm).
The whole Arraj’s website (since his death maintained by his wife, Tyra) is worth exploring: Thomism, Hindu and Buddhist mysticism, Christianity, CG Jung, ecological living – all written by a person who practiced all of it authentically in his life.
Mateusz Stróżyński
March 11, 2021
Dear Ken, I don’t have a strong opinion on whether the Origen mentioned by Porphyry as one of the three disciples of Saccas, who pledged silence, is the Christian author of De principiis. It can’t be ruled out, but there is no compelling evidence for it either. My hunch is rather: No.
Mateusz Stróżyński
March 11, 2021
Plotinus in Enn. 3.8 says that all things desire to contemplate and are contemplation. Can’t resist sharing Tertullian, De oratione 29, strangely similar, albeit unrelated:
“The angels, likewise, all pray; every creature prays; cattle and wild beasts pray and bend their knees; and when they issue from their layers and lairs, they look up heavenward with no idle mouth, making their breath vibrate after their own manner. Nay, the birds too, rising out of the nest, upraise themselves heavenward, and, instead of hands, expand the cross of their wings, and say somewhat to seem like prayer. What more then, touching the office of prayer? Even the Lord Himself prayed.”
Kenneth Selens
March 11, 2021
Awesome
Kayleigh Bohémier
March 17, 2021
When I read a few of Plotinus’ treatises several years ago, I tried out what was suggested because they were obviously practical suggestions, and I’m a library scientist, so why not. It was odd that the articles I read didn’t seem to mention that they were practical exercises (and I didn’t see evidence of people doing them or brain studies like what neuroscientists do with other types of meditation), so I’m happy to learn that there is a long tradition of people reading them and then trying to assemble a contemplative IKEA ladder to the One.
Saeeduddin Ahmed
April 28, 2022
Thanks again for a great episode. I hadn’t previously connected Berkeley, Hegel, Mach, Kant and even Hume in the way it was done in the last few minutes of this episode.
Earl Fontainelle
July 4, 2022
Thank you! There is a lot of the esoteric in the Enlightenment.